The Good Shaman Dilemma, Part 2

Back in December, I told you a few stories. I introduced our Mormon neighbors who love family and serve others freely, the incredibly generous atheist students I taught in China, my New Age friend who saved his marriage from divorce, and a shaman who has helped hundreds of troubled teens turn their lives around.

I challenged you to think about it:

People who do not know or love Jesus are leading moral lives. They are doing good, washing cars for free, and influencing other people to quit their destructive lives. They are devoting themselves to promoting love and peace. It isn’t a sham. These things are really happening. Change is happening.

In the comment section, we received some great feedback from you. Now it’s time to come back to those examples, because I didn’t tell you the other half of the stories. I told you what these people did, but I did not tell you why they did it.

WHY matters.

Do you remember the shaman I met in the park? I asked him what motivates him to help the teens he works with. He does it for his son’s memory, who passed away in an accident at school.

The man who turned his marriage around with the help of New Age philosophy? We talked about why he believes the things he believes and does the things he does. He does it because it makes his life easier, and it gives him a sense of success and meaning.

The atheists in China who are among the most generous people I have ever met? I asked them why they give so freely. One honest student told me that they do it because it is proper, and they must. I am a foreign teacher, and their culture informs them that it is their obligation to treat me with great respect through the giving of gifts. They also did it to impress and to make me happy.

And my Mormon neighbors? I asked them why they they’ve chosen the faith they have. They told me that they chose it because it makes them happy and gives them comfort because they’ll get to be with their families after they die.

Hebrews 13:16 says, "And do not neglect doing good and sharing, for with such sacrifices God is pleased." Does this mean that non-Christians are pleasing God when they do good?

Not quite. Hebrews 11:6 makes sure we don’t make that mistake: "And without faith it is impossible to please Him."

God is not concerned with what we do alone. He isn’t a cosmic slot-machine—insert good deed; plunk, God is pleased. He cares about why we do good. He cares about our relationship with Him. He cares about the position of our hearts—faith or unbelief? It’s here that the distinction between non-Christians and Christians becomes dramatic.

When a person does good, he is always doing it out of love for someone or something. For the non-Christian, the object of that love is going to be:

  • another person
  • an idea or cause
  • an animal
  • something inanimate
  • or himself.

Sometimes he does good for happiness, for success, for a sense of purpose, for a sense of comfort. Sometimes he does good for the benefit of others, because he truly cares. What is missing here?

The Greatest Commandment

"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"

Jesus replied: "‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matt. 22:36–40).

According to the Bible, everything we do is to start here—love for the Lord our God.

And Jesus—known, loved, and worshiped as the Bible depicts Him—is missing from every false religion and cult.

No, people don’t need Jesus in their lives just to stop doing bad things and start doing good things. Self-help books are wildly popular for an obvious reason; many of them deliver results. Just as you can get on a successful diet without faith in Jesus, you can also improve your relationships without faith in Jesus and become a happier and kinder person without faith in Jesus.

But without Jesus, you have nothing but emptiness in all of it. All the good deeds amount to nothing more than filth-soaked rags (Isa. 64:6) and a chasing after the wind. Without a relationship with Jesus—the Author and Sustainer of life, the One who we were designed to worship—none of it matters. None of it has eternal value. We were born to love Jesus and place our faith in Him alone. Nothing short of that will suffice.

  • Do you have a relationship with Jesus? How does the Bible tell us we can get into a right relationship with Him?
  • How should this realization change the way that you share the gospel with people?

About Author

Lindsey Lee

Lindsey Lee's greatest passion is to see the glory of Christ, cherish Him unreservedly, and assist others in doing the same. She makes her home in Toronto.

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  • Jesusfreak17

    Thank you for writing this! It’s a very important point.

  • Joe Bigliogo

    For an atheist God doesn’t exist to please. The good an atheist does is for the doing and for humanity and that makes him/her moral. But if you do good to please your imaginary friend, that doesn’t make you moral, it makes you submissive. If you require a reward to make you do good and punishment to keep you from doing bad, congratulations you have the morality of a border collie.

  • Qblackwell

    I only wonder then why be submissive to humanity? If an Aethiest does things for the good of humanity wouldn’t that make humanity their god? That’s who you are living to please. If an Aetheist believes there is no God then why then do they believe in good and bad? In just and evil? Who is to say to you what is good and what is not? Humanity? Humanity wavers with the waves a million sides on every issue. How then does a god (humanity) issue justice if it has no definite on right and wrong?

    • Joe Bigliogo

      Who said anything about being submissive? That’s the lingo used in your voodoo. I value other humans as equal to myself. My rights and the rights of others go hand in hand equitably. Respect and benevolence for others is not making them God.
      Morality is not handed down inexplicably and arbitrarily by divine dictate from some unproven authoritarian spectre. Morality is a tool of human survival; the product of thoughtful inquiry into codes of conduct that best serve our survival and peaceful co-existence. What benefits survival, co-existence and happiness we call the moral or the good, what is destructive to this goal we call the immoral or the bad. Morality is like pursuing good health, not a simple quest but with careful examination and observation of human behaviour and it’s end results we can establish valid moral principles and practices that best serve human survival and mutual well being.
      Getting your morality by authoritarian decree does not make you moral; it only makes you obedient. Whereas the person who understands why his/her conduct is in the best interests of all concerned is the truly moral person. So if you require reward to make you do good and punishment to keep you from doing harm… congratulations you have the morality of a border collie.

      • erinleedavis

        Hi Joe!

        Welcome to We’re truly glad you’re here.

        We welcome discussion on this blog, including disagreement. However, we do expect respect. So, if you continue to comment here, please do so respectfully and without name calling.

        Grace & Peace!

        Erin Davis

        • Joe Bigliogo

          How was my comment any less respectful than the one I was addressing? Respect goes BOTH ways you know. As an atheist I’m getting sick and tired of the constant mischaracterization of atheism and of secular morality.

  • Louisa

    First off, I just recently started reading these posts and I am loving them! 🙂 I was drawn to this post because I am a Mormon and was curious by what you had to say. I wanted to say thank you for your example and the words you shared. But I also wanted to add my input 🙂 In the LDS church, we do believe that “faith without works is dead” (James 2:26) but, just because we are doing “good things” doesn’t mean we are “saved”. One of the first principles of our gospel is “faith in the Lord, Jesus Christ” (Articles of Faith #4). Without that, I believe we would be pretty lost and without guidance. I know, personally, that one of my biggest goals in my life and especially the gospel, is to become more like my Savior and I can not do that without FIRST having faith in Him. So thank you, once again for your wonderful posts. They truly help me invite His divine influence more into my life.

    • Carrie @ Revive Our Hearts

      So glad you’re here with us on the LYWB Blog, Louisa.

      We appreciate your desire for Mormons to be seen as those who are followers of Christ.

      May I share with you what we believe, from the Word of God, are the essentials of what it defines a follower of Jesus? I’m praying it will be helpful to you, friend.

      As followers of Christ, we believe there is only one true God (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6–8). He always has existed and always will exist (Deuteronomy 33:27; Psalm 90:2; 1 Timothy 1:17). He was not created but is the Creator (Genesis 1; Psalm 24:1; Isaiah 37:16). He is perfect, and no one else is equal to Him (Psalm 86:8; Isaiah 40:25). God the Father is not a man, nor was He ever (Numbers 23:19; 1 Samuel 15:29; Hosea 11:9). He is Spirit (John 4:24), and Spirit is not made of flesh and bone (Luke 24:39).

      We believe that only God is holy (1 Samuel 2:2). We can only be made holy in God’s sight through faith in Him (1 Corinthians 1:2). Jesus is the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16), is the only one ever to have lived a sinless life, and now has the highest place of honor in heaven (Hebrews 7:26). Jesus and God are one in essence, Jesus being the only man who existed before physical birth (John 1:1–8; 8:56). Jesus gave Himself to us as a sacrifice, God raised Him from the dead, and one day everyone will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (Philippians 2:6–11). Jesus tells us it is impossible to get to heaven by our own works and that only by faith in Him is it possible (Matthew 19:26). We all deserve eternal punishment for our sins, but God’s infinite love and grace have allowed us a way out. “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23).

      Scripture teaches clearly there is only one way to receive salvation and that is to know God and His Son, Jesus (John 17:3). Receiving salvation is not done by works but by faith (Romans 1:17; 3:28). We can receive this gift no matter who we are or what we have done (Romans 3:22). “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).

      Thanks again for taking the time to comment. We pray the Lord’s blessings upon you.

      Grace and peace,